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October 14, 2024 at 1:36 pm #906
Hi all,
I am trying to create a planting plan at a site that represents what grew there before the landscape was altered by colonial agriculture. I have sediment from a well-defined organic-rich floodplain wetland soil layer that was buried under legacy sediment, and is exposed in a streambank in the site. I sorted through it, and got the seeds pictured (~50-70x magnification).
I would welcome your thoughts on:
a) Any possible species/genera/families suggested by these seeds, and
b) Whether, in your opinion, this collection method and image quality is enough to get a reasonable ID to family, or preferably genus/species.More site context: Mid-Atlantic Piedmont (Eastern deciduous forest, or mixed forest if the layer is very old). We don’t yet have dating for the wetland layer, so these seeds could be hundreds to thousands of years old. They could also have been transported from upstream or upslope.
Thanks in advance for any wisdom you can provide, and let me know if any other clarification would be helpful! I realize that one of the “seeds” might be an ant egg.
-John
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You must be logged in to view attached files.October 14, 2024 at 1:38 pm #909Apologies, I have a better (and smaller file size) image of the first batch of seeds. Attached.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.October 17, 2024 at 3:15 pm #911Hello John,
This is an interesting project, and approach to restoration! It also helps much to have site context for seed identification. I wonder if you could provide another image of your collection with top lighting only? It looks like there is a light source shining through the seeds from the bottom (I may be mistaken) and it obscures some surface features.
Thank you, Jennifer
October 28, 2024 at 6:53 pm #928Hi Jennifer,
Thank you so much for the tip- I have gone through another sample from the wetland layer, and taken the pictures attached with top lighting only. It looks like the process of drying out (after being picked out of the sediment) might have discolored some of the seeds.
I’d be interested in your thoughts on what some of these could be, if anything stands out to you!
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You must be logged in to view attached files.November 4, 2024 at 8:40 pm #936Hi Jennifer and John,
I think the image Ednor0201_group2_front may be Sambucus.
Debbie
November 5, 2024 at 3:03 pm #940Hi Debbie,
Looking at Sambucus seeds online, that looks spot on! I really appreciate it!
November 5, 2024 at 7:21 pm #941Hi John,
The remainder of your seeds are mostly likely from the Cyperaceae. Perhaps Cyperus (for the smaller seeds), Scirpus, or Carex. Jennifer may have better ideas.
Debbie
November 12, 2024 at 4:06 pm #942Thanks! I do have one very distinctive group of seeds/macrofossils popping up from the oldest stratum, and I’m wondering if they could be spruce needles. If anyone has seen stuff like this before and could confirm/deny, I’d appreciate it!
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You must be logged in to view attached files.December 3, 2024 at 9:59 pm #961Hello John,
I think that the needles in the image could well be Picea spp. (spruce). They are relatively short, stiff, and look to be sharply angular rather than flat or rounded angular.
Which species of spruce do you have in your area?
As for the caps, they may be bud caps from conifer buds, perhaps the same species as the needles.
I hope this helps, Jennifer
December 4, 2024 at 1:47 pm #962Hi Jennifer,
That is helpful! Yes, I agree on spruce, as looking at the needles further they are four-sided and, like you said, short and sharply angular. The cool thing is, there are no naturally-occurring spruce left in this part of Maryland. Red spruce, our only remaining species in Maryland, are restricted to a few areas in the mountainous westernmost portion of the state. During the late Pleistocene, I believe we had white, black, and red spruce, so C-14 dates might be necessary to determine what is most likely.
I had the same thought on the cap structures, but cannot find any images or mention of spruce bud caps online. However, given that they co-occur fairly abundantly with the needles, I do agree that that seems like the most likely option.
Thanks again,
JohnDecember 17, 2024 at 6:33 pm #977Hello John,
I have some ideas to share about some of your sedge family (Cyperaceae) fruit images, specifically the ones that are likely Carex (sedge) species. There are a great many species in Carex, and are a challenge to identify even with physical specimens in hand. My ideas for possible species are based on the fruit (achene) appearance and current distribution.
To add- Carex achenes are enclosed in a papery sac-like perigynia that offer more identification clues, but they decay in the soil.
The most common achenes in the images (especially Group 1) are the narrow ones with a long peg-like stipe. I think these might be Carex tribuloides. Carex sychnocephala has similar achenes, but is found in the northern United States into Canada. I’m not sure of historical distribution.
The almost triangular achene at the bottom of Group 5 looks most similar to Carex echinata to me, with light brown achenes.
I hope this helps; I’ll keep an eye out for the other achenes in these images.
Thank you, Jennifer
December 17, 2024 at 8:37 pm #978Hi Jennifer,
Thanks so much! We may be able to get C-14 dates on these strata, which would help us figure out whether the site was colder/warmer during deposition, so C. sychnocephala with its more northerly current distribution might not be out of the question. I really appreciate you lending your expertise on this. I couldn’t tell two Carex apart to save my life.
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